Mom, I’m sorry if you don’t agree with me on the points I share on this podcast. Probably many of my friends from my hometown may not even agree. Maybe I have become some crazy conspiracy theory person during my 17 years in Asia. But today I am sharing a podcast where I was a guest speaking about thoughts on global warming – but more from a decentralized angle (I guess you can say crypto)
It’s a long 2 hour session you are welcome to dive in!
Transcript:
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Obviously [00:02:00] all of us here are pretty keen travelers. We, we enjoy this, this privilege that we have, uh, which seems to be on the verge of being taken away. So anyway, without further ado, uh, we’ll meet our guests. Uh, if you could start with yourself, can you say your name, what you do, and where, where you’re from?
Uh, actually I am Moham. Uh, I am from Pakistan and I am here in Jing Mai, uh, since last about seven months for my PhD. So I am [00:02:30] doing my PhD in, uh, digital innovation and financial technology. Yeah. Okay. I, hello and welcome. Thank you. Okay. Yeah, thanks for having me. Mike Micheli, um, e-commerce seller, veteran, and also deep into a new project called Load Pipe, which is a Web3 e-commerce protocol.
Cool. Hello. And you, you have a website, right? Yeah. Load pipe.com. Oh, apologies. Apologies. Uh, hello and welcome. Thank you. Thank you. Cool. Uh, so like I mentioned, we’re, we’re talking about [00:03:00] all the travel restrictions, which are around the corner, and, um, just generally what a lot of governments seem to be saying and what they seem to be doing.
’cause I, I feel like nowadays they don’t quite align. Um, Mohamed, I wanted to, I wanted to talk to you first, ’cause can you tell us what it is you are, you are learning and what is you’re trying to, to achieve right now? Uh, actually I am working on, um, the [00:03:30] transition of, uh, energy from, uh. Fossil fuels to the renew renewable energy resources.
So I’m actually, my, my research is on their side and I’m particularly working on peer to peer energy trading. And only for, uh, also I am focusing on carbon trading, uh, carbon credit management. So that is what I am doing now in my research work. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. So going green, reducing carbon Yeah.
Fossil [00:04:00] fuels and carbon footprint. Yeah. To replace all these things that are like, you think that it is, uh, damaging to all environment. Yeah. And you, you mentioned as well that you are trying to work for the UN goals, right? So there’s, yes. There’s 17 sustainable goals you were talking about. Uh, yeah. The UN has set, um, 17 goal that is, uh, we call SDG 17 or sustainable development goals.
So my [00:04:30] focus is on SDG seven and sg uh, SD uh, DG 13. So s SDG seven is about, uh, clean and affordable energy, like every person have, uh, the right to, uh, get access to clean energy. And also, uh, the SDG 13 is about the climate change that we need to focus on the environment as well, uh, without like focusing on our needs for today.
Yeah. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. I mean, both sound like very noble causes, and [00:05:00] I completely agree. Everyone does, has the right to clean and affordable energy. Yeah. We actually, we have the, the goals here. Uh, James, is it all right if you bring up this, this article?
Yeah. Okay. So I was just scanning through this, uh, un. I’m, I have very mixed feelings about, to be honest with you. But, uh, even just looking at number one, poverty and number [00:05:30] two, ending hunger. Right? Well, actually we’ll go into those, we’ll go into those in a sec. So, so your one is number seven, which affordable and clean energy.
And number 13, climate action. Uh. Actually, I’ll not say like this, that, and, uh, only focus on seven and 13. Uh, these are all the goals that are interrelated. Of course, if we’re focusing on, um, 17, uh, like 13 or [00:06:00] seven. So in indirectly, we are also focusing on maybe 1, 2, 3, because we are creating jobs. We are, uh, spreading.
We are, uh, like giving access, uh, like, um, bringing, bringing the equality. So many of these we are, uh, accessing even if you are focusing on one. Of course, of course. Um, okay. Let’s talk about specifics then. So no poverty, do you feel like they’re doing a good job on this right now? Uh, no. Poverty is, uh, [00:06:30] uh.
Since I, I been live in Pakistan and I, um, move here for the first time in Xang Mai. So I, uh, feel there are too much differences, um, uh, culturally, the financial status. Uh, and even in, uh, if you see in Pakistan or in Xang Mai, I see the difference, uh, between the, like the, some people have like, uh, uh, the financial status is too high, but some have, uh, even no, uh, do [00:07:00] not have the ability to eat food properly.
Like the, yeah. Um, sorry, sorry. Like we actually, we’ll go round. Do you think, uh, in terms of poverty, do you think the UN are doing a good job, good or bad? Just we’ll go around. Yeah. Yeah. Good job, Mike. I, I don’t follow, you know, the, the details of their KPIs specifically, but of course I have some mixed feelings from my, my angle in cryptocurrency.
Sure, sure. Uh, it’s very, they [00:07:30] measure as. Measures proof of work and mining and things like that. Yeah, it’s a very broad question. And of course we couldn’t look into the individual, uh, states of like the whole world and see exactly how good a job they’re doing. But I mean, right now I think it’s fair to say that the whole world is suffering from inflation on a, on a huge scale.
And, you know, there’s, there’s three companies which are very much linked. Do you know, um, so the un the World [00:08:00] Economic Forum and the World Health Organization, yeah. They, they’re all, do you know the, the one thing which is common with all three, uh, I, I like, uh, do you think about like, uh, what do you mean? I actually did not.
Got it. So my, what I was saying is, uh, the thing which is common with all three of them is that they’re all unelected officials. Mm. They all have huge, tremendous influence [00:08:30] when it comes to the world stage. Mm-Hmm. And if the goal is, for example, to, to end poverty, I think all of them together. I mean, we won’t go too much into it because I’ve received a strike from YouTube, but, uh, in regards to Covid, I mean, this has been one of the things which governments all around the world have spent crazy money on.
The knock on effect is the inflation, right? Mm-Hmm. And we can see that everywhere. Yeah. [00:09:00] Covid itself, I mean, that’s, that’s a whole talk, but have you seen how the lockdowns, which were mostly provided from the World Economic Forum, these policies, they were the ones who suggested them, and the knock on effect from the lockdowns is it’s pushed 150 million people into poverty around the world.
Sorry? Into, into famine, hunger. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, it [00:09:30] depends upon the policies that, um, applied by, uh, the governments in their countries. So like, some are really, uh, impressive. Like if we, uh, uh, like there were some policies that affected people more than normal and they pushed them to the, below the poverty lines.
But some policies, they even served their people in that kind of inflation and such kind of [00:10:00] drastic situation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, uh, this is from the un, this is from the UN themselves. Uh, James, I’ve just sent you another, another article,
but yeah, it’s talking about the, the knock on effect from, from the lockdowns. I.
And can you just scroll down? Uh, just Yeah. This bit a pandemic on top of a pandemic. So the [00:10:30] impact of COVID-19 on human lives and the global economy is devastating since the outbreak of the pandemic in 2020, the number of people facing hunger has increased to about 150 million. And then, you know, going back to, to the 17 points that they want to achieve.
Mm-Hmm. Zero hunger. And since 2020, this has now exploded. I would argue maybe that these policies that they [00:11:00] created aren’t for the greater good. Yeah. The policy, this is. The goals that are created like in 2015, but still in 2024, we are creating such kinds of problems. So this mean we have some discrepancies in our policies and we need to, uh, uh, like maybe some implementation problems as well.
And code 19 is just, um, um, like is, um, something that is, uh, unplanned or some, uh, so the, [00:11:30] it just, uh, disturb the flow, but actually, um, we also need to have some feedback and some proper procedure how we are doing to implement the policies. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Um, did you hear about the other thing with Covid?
Uh, it’s been described as the greatest transfer of wealth in human history. So again, going back to their point of point number one, no poverty. I. Uh, this is [00:12:00] just one of the things which has had helped a massive way of, of everyday people lose more and more money and it’s pushed it straight to the top of the elites.
Yeah. I, I question how, how much the UN is, is trying to benefit the people, or is it trying to benefit people at the top? Uh, it is actually, uh, uh, for the time being I’m thinking that are, they are, uh, they’re like [00:12:30] trying, but it is just more, uh, advertisement than, uh, something in the field because, uh. There are some places where we’ve, we still have like every day I see, uh, I hear in news that the people maybe like, uh, we see the Israel and Palestine, uh, war, but people there are still like, uh, they have no access to food.
Even so, United Nations what health organizations and elect we see everywhere, [00:13:00] but these are the people who still have in 2024, don’t have the basic right. Access to basic Right. Which is food. So I think we, uh, there are some problems in implementations, uh, actually, yeah. Yeah. It’s a, it’s a very sad situation.
They, they find themselves in, but it’s also like round the world. I mean, you’ve got America and the UK is guilty of this. So many countries, they’re funding the war. I mean, Ukraine and, and Israel, uh, [00:13:30] Palestinian, they funded a hundred billion to both. Yeah. Or over, over a hundred billion. And yet even in, in the US and even in the uk, the poverty just keeps growing and growing.
And the, the US I mean, there’s people that can’t even feed themselves. So, you know, they’re looking after other businesses, sorry, other, other countries and war efforts before they look after the people in their own country. And again, I feel that [00:14:00] they’re all, all governments seem to be acting this way.
They’re not acting on behalf of the people, they’re acting on behalf of corporations or, or whatever it is. Do you, do you feel like the UK’s any, sorry, the UN is any different? Uh, do you feel it’s just No, I don’t think so actually. Why, why do you wanna work for an organization like this then? Uh, I do. [00:14:30] Can you please, uh, repeat that?
So the un mm-Hmm. Like I’m saying, how do you know it’s no different from. The, the countries, the governments and stuff. Yeah. And I asked is, is it just, and you said it’s not just, so then I ask, why do you wanna work for someone like this? Uh, the goals they said is actually the, something that is more important we need to achieve.
But the way they are, uh, I don’t know like how, how they are implementing this, but because still after 10 [00:15:00] or nine, nine years, we uh, still have the same problems as we have in 2015. Yeah. Uh, and this goal are like, sit for 2030. So, uh, maybe like in last nine years we achieved, uh, even though we have achieved some of the goals in, uh, and we are moving toward that to achieve, but still, uh, the no poverty, that is a first one and we are like lagging behind in that.
So, uh, and uh, another thing is. Uh, why [00:15:30] we are funding these people? Uh, we, like always, we will have to fund these people to, uh, eat their pool. These people who, who do you mean? Sorry? I mean, like, the people, they don’t have access to their pool. Like, uh, if I take example of the, uh, people that are in war, so, uh, why not?
We provide them some environment that they can, their, they can work for their own, they can, uh, they can remove their hunger by their own. So we need to provide them environment. That is [00:16:00] the, I think, the best way to implement that. No poverty, uh, point. Yeah. I, I mean, I think there is a way I just feel I, I can, I think there is a way I completely agree with these, with these rules and these, these goals that they want to have, but I feel it’s the same as any other.
Is what I mean. Like it is okay that these 17 goals [00:16:30] they highlighted, it’s really important. But, uh, the problem is the way how you want to achieve this, you can educate the people, uh, rather than just giving them food ready made, give a man a fish. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, uh, you can provide them environment, you can move industry, you can help them build the infrastructures.
So I think this is the best way they can, uh, cooperate to the world, uh, [00:17:00] economy. They can, uh, have a better lives, uh, rather than we just funding them and just we are advertising that and things like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, just to bring yourself in, Mike, um, I liked what you were saying before, uh. This was, we’re, we’ll go into it again, but you were saying peer to peer, and it’s essentially, it’s giving power to the individual.
Mm-Hmm. You’re not relied on, on a grid, you can sustainably produce your own energy [00:17:30] source, which I completely agree with. Mm-Hmm. And it, it ties in what you are, you are quite knowledgeable on in terms of, uh, decentralized currencies. Mm-Hmm. Which there, I mean yeah. There’s, there’s pros and cons to any system.
I think the cons, everyone looks at the energy consumption from some of these, but in terms of giving power to yourself, given your independence, it’s gotta be crypto, right? Yeah. I, I mean, I’ve, I’ve over the years, [00:18:00] always looked at it in different, different angles. Um, honestly, I was even a little bit not happy about mining earlier in my time of learning Bitcoin.
Mm-hmm. But what I’ve learned is it, it’s just finding the access to the best, most efficient energy in the world. It, it doesn’t, a lot of people think it’s only electric, like, but it can be water or wind or any kind. There’s people that build it in dams and build it in. So it’s finding the access to the cheapest, uh, energy.
Not, not, not bad energy, any [00:18:30] energy. Yeah, sure. So that’s, that’s what’s convinced me differently. And then when I started to learn the Ethereum moved from proof of work to proof of stake, I feel like it entered censorship. Proof of stake is kind of an alternative to proof of work where proof of work is mining and, you know, the, the, the news and media always says proof of work is bad for the environment because of mining, which I just said you can use any energy.
Mm-Hmm. Not where they like proof of stake because it’s more about the more money you have, the [00:19:00] more control you have on the, on the protocol. Right, right. Where mining is, you, of course you have machines, but it’s not owned by the people that have the money. And then a lot of, like, I do use Ethereum and I like Ethereum, but I feel like it’s not as decentralized as it had been when it was on proof of Work.
They moved to proof of stake. Where proof of stake is, is validating and voting based on how much money you’ve staked into the network. Mm-hmm. To vote. So it’s more about how much money you have and, uh, do you know about, um, [00:19:30] cbdc Central Bank Digital currencies? Yeah. I mean, I’m trying my best to not embrace it as much as possible when it comes, tell me about it.
Trying to be out of the, out of the matrix. It’s basically, it seems like it’s a MA to matrix all these things. Yeah, yeah. And you’re talking about earlier about all the, the money going to, to their big corporations, like during Covid, Facebook, Google, Amazon. They excelled. They saw all the small businesses die during Covid.
Right? Yeah, yeah. Only the big ones. Even restaurants, small restaurants died, big [00:20:00] restaurants survived. It’s really like those futuristic movies where it’s just large corporations and, and poor people, you know? Yeah. They’re killing the middle kind of class. Yeah. Yeah. And yeah, like you’re saying, no in between.
Yeah. It’s extreme. There’s, uh, are you aware of Cbdc Mohammed? No, I have no knowledge about that too much. It’s, um, yeah, it’s something which is, which is happening, uh, that they’re really trying to push right now in Europe and other places. Mm-Hmm. But [00:20:30] essentially everything, there’s, there’s no transition that wouldn’t, um, transaction, sorry.
That wouldn’t be recorded. Mm-Hmm. And in, in terms of climate change, which is obviously a big push. They’re saying, well, there’s certain things which will produce more carbon. You know, if you buy too much fuel for your car, you buy too much plane tickets. Mm-hmm. You’re flying around the world too much or cows are contributing too much carbon to the atmosphere, so you eat too much steak.
This is all gonna [00:21:00] affect how much you can spend and, and what you can spend your money on. Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Just back maybe if you’re not familiar with CBDC, I think it means central bank, digital currency. Digital currency. So it’s, it’s, it’s kind of like what we would think of Bitcoin or cryptocurrency. Oh.
Except it’s issued by the central bank of that government. Alright. And the other big difference is it’s a, I believe a private blockchain versus a public blockchain. So all these popular ones now Bitcoin, Ethereum are public. Anybody can [00:21:30] join and use where these are only the bank. So it’s similar to like how the bank system now prints money.
They’d be able to print money digitally. And they would, which they kind of do now, but it would be even more digitally And like, like, uh, Louis says you could actually, um, take money from users. ’cause it’s a private control blockchain by that government’s bank. Yeah. Yeah. So the idea is like, you’ll have credit scores.
You mentioned carbon credits credit. Yeah. It’s something’ll. They’ll measure all of [00:22:00] this and then maybe if they don’t like it, they’ll, they’ll disincentivize you by maybe giving you less, uh, you know, universal income. Well, they, they’re talking about, uh, things like this. So that’s how they’ll incentivize people to do what they want you to do.
They’re talking about everyone having, uh, a set carbon allowance. So again, you know, you buy, you buy fuel for your car, you’ve used this much. You buy, you buy your, your favorite steak, you buy plane ticket, suddenly your allowance is now at [00:22:30] zero. It doesn’t matter if you have all the money in the world, you’ve already used up your set allowance.
They’re also saying those with means can maybe buy allowance from other people. Yeah. So as long as that quota of like this much gas, this much emissions have been set, as long as that quota stays within, then essentially the rich can buy that tax, the, uh, the, the allowance of other people. Yeah. Uh, again, we’ll it will just further this two tier [00:23:00] society, um, going, going back to hunger.
Sorry. Um, this was, ’cause it’s in recent news again. If the UN’s really, and they have a lot of influence, a lot, a lot of influence. If their, if their goal is to reduce hunger and poverty with people, it would seem that recent news is doing the exact opposite. Uh, James, I’ve just sent you a video. I.[00:23:30]
This is regarding all of the farmer strikes happening very recently. Yeah. I was even in India when it started. India, yeah. This is eu, but we’re going to the India after. Oh, India one. Okay.[00:24:00]
Whoa. [00:24:30] Did you see this? I hadn’t seen that before. Yeah. So that was, uh, some French farmers decorating a local McDonald’s, but essentially the, the EU were putting in all these new regulations. They were saying one of the, the ones is they emissions, they have to reduce their emissions massively. There are also restrictions on the, the fertilizers and herbicides that they can use, which has forced a lot of farmers to become organic.[00:25:00]
But because of how farming’s done nowadays, there’s so much chemicals, there’s so much fertilizer, which are like so many inputs put into the process. So when they’re asked to go like completely t total, almost so many farmers just can’t adjust. And you know, you’ve gone from a yield, which is maybe, let’s say a hundred percent to a yield, which is only gonna be 50, 60%.
And yeah, because of this, [00:25:30] lows and loads of farmers are just not able to keep their farms going. Bring in enough money to repair the equipment, buy the new equipment, whatever it is. There’s, and obviously the knock on effect is now there’s gonna be no food if the farmers can’t do their job. They were, throughout all of these protests, they were showing these signs.
No farmers, no food. Again, if, if the idea is to, is to get rid of poverty and get rid of hunger, like what is going on right [00:26:00] now. So of course, like, uh, whatever we want to do, we need to have alternative for them as well. Like what the family will, uh, will do because they’re concerned about their family, their financial status as well.
So how can they afford such kind of, uh, transition? Uh. Like if they’re producing a hundred percent and they are need now to produce 50% just to secure because they don’t know about anything. So creating awareness is one of the thing, [00:26:30] but we need to have alternatives and to support them as well by different ways.
Like when is the carbon credit management, how can we support them, uh, by that way. So these are the things. Yeah. I mean, the problem is they, we do have solutions for these, but the solutions are being taken away from regulations imposed by the eu. So they already have tried and tested. They’ve been doing this for, I mean, some of these [00:27:00] farmers go back for hundreds of years, right?
They already know. And we have the tools available. But what the EU is saying is, no, no, you can’t use this. You can’t do that. You have to reduce this. So I’ve seen, I’ve seen, uh, articles on how even cows, the amount of livestock they’re allowed to have is just getting reduced, reduced, reduced. Uh, meanwhile, you know, all of these blockages, they’re, they’re blocking Ukraine because Ukraine is out of the eu.
Mm-Hmm. They [00:27:30] have full reign on on what fertilizers they can use, what herbicides and sex size. All of these chemicals they have full re they can still supply like normal. So, so now all the farmers, they’re, they’re trying to block the input ports from Ukraine. ’cause Ukraine can produce all of this food much, much cheaper.
So when it comes to the imports, obviously now the local farmer can’t compete with the cheap prices. Yeah. It’s just gonna put them outta business. So [00:28:00] Yeah. I mean, when you’re saying like, find solutions, we have solutions. It’s these regulations which are just killing the farmers right now. Uh. Like, um, if they can produce, uh, uh, if they can export their food materials at a lower price.
So maybe we need to consider their policies and, uh, the way they are producing it. Uh, because like maybe, uh, in different places, [00:28:30] people follow different methods, and the technologies nowadays is really important in such situations. So we need to, uh, share like the information for that. And we need to study their structure, how they are doing this.
Why cannot we compete, uh, in such a case like, uh, uh, in agriculture, uh, the basic requirement are same. For industries, it may be different, but for agriculture there is no much differences except the labor. Labor costs. So what, why is this much differences in [00:29:00] the, uh, cost? Uh, like if they can export? So we cannot buy, uh, cannot produce, and the, uh, farmers here cannot benefit from it.
Again, it just goes back to regulations. And the regulations are massively being imposed because of some of these UN goals actually. Mm-Hmm. Climate change, you know, they’re saying agriculture is one of the biggest contributors to Yeah. To, um, greenhouse, greenhouse gases. [00:29:30] I, I find it questionable again, like that, the sign this says it all, no farmers, no food.
Mm. The more they, the more they push farmers to the brink, the more we as the people will suffer. We will suffer. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It, it makes me think, when I was a kid and my uncles all were blue collar workers, like in factories and other, and they all lost their jobs to the, um, [00:30:00] free trade. Was Mexico, Canada, China, like, I think it was the Clinton administration just opened the flood gates and let everything come in like very low or no tax.
Right. Right. And it feels similar to what these farmers are dealing with. ’cause they make these policies, it hurts, you know, our own people. And then, and then they can say, oh we, uh, we don’t have so much pollution here. Right. They’ll also say like, the pollution, because the factories are bad for the air, but you’re just outsourcing it to other countries to have that.
Like [00:30:30] China has bad pollution Right. Because they’re manufacturing now, not America. You know, it’s like, uh, it’s uh, it’s kind of hypocritical ’cause they’re just basically pushing it somewhere else. Yeah, yeah. Like sweeping under the rug. Yeah. So now Ukraine, like you just said, like maybe Ukraine will do the bad stuff outside of the border so they can say that they’re being responsible, but all the, all the purchases of the farm food’s gonna come from Yeah.
Where it’s cheapest. Yeah. I feel, I feel the same way when it comes to ev cars. Because the [00:31:00] power, again, like, okay, so that electric car, sure, that’s, that’s fine. That’s not producing emissions, but the power to fuel that, that’s from a power plant down the road. Right. So, yeah, and I mean, I dunno, um, did you see this Hamed where Germany shut down a lot of nuclear power plants?
And nuclear, I would argue is one of the cleanest energy sources we have, and it’s very good at doing its job. And so [00:31:30] Germany had to shut down a bunch of its plants and they replaced it with all these green solar panels, wind farms, wind, wind turbines, and they, they basically, um, they weren’t able to produce enough for their country.
You have this problem where a bunch of, uh, German households can’t even power their homes. They can’t even heat in winter. So I think going green sounds good on paper, [00:32:00] but the reality is so much different. Uh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Uh, well, um, uh, when we are going toward this, so we are, uh, go considering competitive, uh, analysis.
Like we are doing competitive analysis. Solar is good, wind is good, but uh, we consider nuclear as well. It is comparatively good. Then fossil fuels like oil, uh, diesel, et cetera. So, uh, the German now have the ability to focus more on [00:32:30] solar winds and other things. So that’s why they are, uh, getting rid up nuclear, uh, power plants.
But, uh, for countries like, uh, maybe, uh, China, because they are since the largest greenhouse cases, emitter. Maybe 27% of the overall, uh, uh, like USA, like India, which is about seven, 7%. So, uh, if they are going toward the nuclear, this is further time being, they are reducing their emissions. So it is a better choice.
But in future, they [00:33:00] must also have to switch from nuclear to, uh, solar or wind or other, uh, like geothermal. So these kind of energy resources, but it depends upon the availabilities and situation. Uh, like we need improvements, uh, with time. Yeah. Well, did you see, um, so Germany did exactly that. They convert solar and wind getting rid of nuclear.
It does, yeah. But it’s a country which is mostly cloudy, so the amount of power which they can push out isn’t enough for the country. [00:33:30] They’ve actually had to outsource their power, so they’ve outsourced it. I forget the countries now, but their nuclear power plants in the different countries, they’re much more dirtier than Mm-Hmm.
What Germany had. So, and on top of that, they’ve had to restart their, their coal fire plants just to make sure that Germans have enough power to keep going. So the, the goal is to, you know, reduce, reduce emissions, go green. But because now they don’t have enough power, they’ve [00:34:00] actually cre created far worse emissions than they would’ve originally.
Like, how does that make sense? As a first world country, German is known for, its, its engineering, uh, knowhow. So this is what we call do or die. Uh, they, if they have no power, so it is better that they are producing from, uh, fossil fuels. But what we say parcel fuels is not a good option, but they have like when, uh, no power, that is more dangerous for them because their eco [00:34:30] economy may be, uh, uh, depend upon that.
Uh. Uh, um, is the requirement of the government to provide the electricity to the people. So that’s why they are going for that, but it’s not really a good option. Yeah, of course not. They, they had a pretty good option and then they trashed it in favor of this new, the new craze. It’s like one of those buzzwords go green.
And the reality is, it, it hasn’t helped them at all. [00:35:00] Uh, there’s, there’s all these articles how millions of Germans can’t fuel their homes in the winter. So what will that look like? Well, that’ll mean a cold snap was most likely to, to kill, uh, much, you know, the older population or whatever it is. Yeah. So I think, um, this is what I was talking about earlier.
It sounds good on, and it looks good on paper, but the reality is it’s not good for the people. Really. It is different. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I [00:35:30] think in the US I read an article, I don’t, I, they’re, um, basically banned Bitcoin mining, I believe recently, like a week or two ago. Okay. Not directly, but indirectly because they’re making energy either more expensive or not allowed to be used for certain purposes.
Mm. So I think maybe it’s connected to this, but I remember people complaining and, uh, essentially it’s just saying it’s not really even just about Bitcoin mining, they said it’s about governments and regulators being able to choose how you use your own energy. Mm. Yeah. What’s that [00:36:00] about? Right? Like, so you can say one is maybe, but they’re basically censoring or filtering or, or disincentivizing incentivizing different types of uses of your own energy that you’re buying.
Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I mean with that too, like who, who has the right to tell you what you can do of your, you are paying for it, right? You’re paying for that electricity. And I mean, it’s funny that they attack decentralized currencies. Meanwhile they’re still push a centralized one. Well, we know why we, [00:36:30] we know why.
We know why. But it’s like, it’s so obvious. It’s like, it seems obvious to us, but I think for some reason a lot of people don’t. I mean, I do, the only thing I don’t like about crypto is things like, was it the NFTs? Mm. They take up so, so much processing power for a digital image. Mm. Well, the good and the bad about decentralization is you can’t really control what it’s used for.
Sure, sure. So it, you know, the same is happening on Bitcoin with something called [00:37:00] Ordinals. People are inscribing on Bitcoin. Mm-Hmm. And a lot of OG bitcoin miners or Bitcoiners are, think it’s bad. ’cause like you said, it wastes resources and it takes up space on the blockchain and Yeah. Yeah. And they’re, but it’s, we actually laugh ’cause we other, other people laugh at them because.
They’re trying to censor Bitcoin. Mm-Hmm. And say what you can and cannot use Bitcoin for. Yeah. Yeah. Which is totally the opposite of the purpose of Bitcoin. Yeah. You know what I mean? It’s like, oh no, you can’t use it for this. But some people found out how to [00:37:30] use it for that. Yeah. Yeah. And you know, it’s like it is hard to give it a true feeling ’cause you can kind of understand the thought of not wanting to waste resources or energy or space on certain things.
But then who gives who the right to do that? Yeah, yeah. Right. That that’s the whole point. Like who chooses that? No, you’re right. And yeah, even with the NFTs, I don’t like ’em, but at the end of the day, it’s a free market that decides what’s gonna be [00:38:00] successful and what wouldn’t, won’t be. So if this is what the people want, then hey, fair enough.
Do I think it’s stupid? A hundred percent. But hey, whatever. Um, there’s, there’s a lot to, I can answer that. There’s a lot of uses for it and, and it looks stupid. It’s just artistic, but there’s other use cases for nps. Sure, sure. I mean, there is the whole, you have a hundred percent ownership. So I can, I can see the value in that.
Well, you can have NFT for the show here and membership. Mm-Hmm. And you can get benefits. You have direct connection and access to your subscribers and you [00:38:30] can compensate them with, you know, gifts or, or, uh, incentives or, or access. Uh, there’s lots of uses. You can own apartments, houses with NFT. Basically it’s just proof of ownership.
Yeah. Yeah. So the first use case was proof of ownership of artwork or JPEGs. But that’s just one use case. You, it proves you own this pen. Right. And on a blockchain that’s others can verify you own this and if I sell this, it’s, it’s not like kept on a private database. Yes. Like [00:39:00] houses right now it’s worldwide.
Instantly it’s, it’s almost gets rid of borders. It’s just relevant. Yes. So, yeah. And I talked to somebody yesterday about spatial computing and, and uh, decentralizing that because like Apple and Amazon, they’re owning the whole all your data, right? Mm-Hmm. Yeah. So if it’s not decentralized and it’s owned by somebody, whether it’s a government or a large corporation that can use it for their own benefit and also remove you from it.
Yeah. Yeah. I forget [00:39:30] which documentary. It was one of the ones on Netflix, um, the Social Dilemma maybe, or it was one of them and it was saying how data is more valuable than oil or like some of the, the biggest commodities we have Beta is the thing which is valued the highest. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. I can believe it.
Well, nowadays for sure. Right? I mean, nothing physical doesn’t seem to matter as much, you know, like this show [00:40:00] Yeah, it’s cool background and some microphones, but it’s the, the content Thank you. The data. Sure. Yeah, yeah. Right. That’s. That’s, that’s everything. And influencing attention, right? That’s, that’s the currencies of today.
Well, and there’s a, there’s a whole thing, like it’s, it makes, it’s no surprise that they’re trying to, to ban, ban these decentralized networks. Because, I mean, if you, have you ever tried to take money out of an airport? Like $10,000 is the limit, right? Straight [00:40:30] away you’re gonna be, if you, if you carry this much, then that’s contraband.
Like the airport probably won’t let you take off on the plane. If you try and take gold over the, over the borders, again, like good luck. But if I transfer $10,000 into my Bitcoin, send that to anyone I want in the, in the world, they have no control. So it’s a way of transferring wealth to other people instantly.
And we’ve never, we’ve never really had that power before. [00:41:00] Uh, but uh, it’s good that you have this power. You can control your own money. But it is not good for countries like Yeah. You know, uh, of course, because, uh, it easy to like form is give away for money laundering and things like that. So you can just, yeah.
I mean, my response to that is it’s disruption. It’s true. It’s a disruption of technology to the need of a country. What’s the need of a country? Yes. [00:41:30] It’s not as needed anymore. And of course, they don’t want to lose their power. Yeah, yeah. And especially, especially, you know, if they’re, if these countries, like, if you’re, you’re American, right, Mike, unfortunately, you know, like if, if my government just, you know, I’ve got, I’ve got, I can see that no one’s got any money and whatever, and then my government decides to give a hundred billion to a war in Ukraine, or a hundred billion to, to Israel.
[00:42:00] Meanwhile, everyone’s starving at home. You would literally, like, that’s my taxpayer money. Yeah. Being given to them. And yeah, you’re right. Countries don’t like it, but at the end of the day, they’ve proven time and time again, they are not responsible with our money. So, you know, why should we give them, well, should we give them that power?
Yeah. It’s truly scary. But yeah, I mean maybe that’s what it’s the it’s, but, and if there’s no countries, there’s one world order. Right. And that’s even scarier know you’re [00:42:30] talking about those three, three groups. un, W-H-O-W-E-F, right? Like yeah. Yeah. I think maybe partly they’re thinking they want to be the one world order and seems that way.
I mean, oh, I’ve got a great video actually. So of course they don’t want the people to have power of their money. And there’s that slogan, you’ll own nothing and you’ll be happy. Yes. That’s exactly the one I was just about to bring up. Yeah. I think they even removed it ’cause. It [00:43:00] backfired. I think they did, did massive, massive backlash, but it’s still going ahead.
Uh, James, can you bring up the last video I sent[00:43:30]
You Are alone. Nothing, and you’ll be happy. Just do what they say. Yeah, [00:44:00] yeah. Yeah. And I mean, yeah, the decentralized money, like, like we’ve said, it gives power back to you, the control of the resources, which I really like what you are looking into. It gives power to the individual. It means you can live your life, you can do whatever you need to do.
I hope it takes off, but my, my fear is these, these big organizations have, have no interest in giving the individual power to do this. You know? [00:44:30] What do you think? Hmm. Uh, from my point of view, uh, I think they, uh, like these organization, they’re just, uh, about the data, about the data collection. So this is their prime importance.
But the money, they, uh, like these are d different ways, how they can collect money. So, um, using the centralized, decentralized [00:45:00] way, it also benefit these, these kinds of organization because of the money goes to toward them. But, uh, still, uh, every person, like every individual, have some benefit and have some control or their own, uh, resources.
Yeah. Have you seen how, um, like 2030 is, is one of those big goals that they all countries seem to be talking about? They, they want to take away most people’s cars or private car ownership? Yeah. [00:45:30] Uh, that, that is actually the drive and, uh, different ways how, how they can change their. Mine is to get rid of the resources that are like, uh, co like be part of the greenhouse gases emission.
So, uh, we can say like, one is the upper and uh, this kind of, uh, company. So they are like, uh, taking the partnership, uh, the, uh, the ownership go, ownership of the cars and [00:46:00] things like that, that like in the future we will have the sharing opportunity for cars and things like this. We can share and we can reduce the pollution by different ways.
So that is also a, a good way to handle such kind of situation. I dunno, I don’t know. I, there’s also the talk Mm-Hmm. So I’m not a hundred percent set on the EV cars. Mm-Hmm. Again, I feel like the, the power which is going into them [00:46:30] is just being made by power plant down the road. Like with China, you’ve just moved the problem down the road essentially.
Um. And one of, one of the reasons people were talking about why electric cars are so popular right now is not because of its, you know, going green initiative. Mm-Hmm. It’s about the fact that it can be disabled at switch. Mm-Hmm. So it can just be turned off remotely. Whereas again, what was so [00:47:00] bad about having cars, which you can just, you have complete control over.
It’s true. So I don’t know. I’m not, I’m not a hundred percent set on it. Um, go on. Going back to what you were saying then with the, with the green, this is, these are one of the questions I’ve been wondering. So you were saying solar and wind is probably the most efficient? Uh, yeah, it is not actually the more, most efficient, uh, the efficiency is too low for solar, but it [00:47:30] is the best source of energy.
Okay. Uh, because it’s available everywhere under, we can just install on the rooftops and we can get energy. The, um, the irony with the wind turbines is of course, that the turbine blades are non-recyclable. Right. Uh, uh, if, even though if we are using the recyclable, but the process involves some things that are like, uh, have, uh, negative impacts on the environment.
Mm. Yeah. Well, maybe you can speak to this too. [00:48:00] Uh, because, because the wind is obviously unpredictable. Yeah. They have to use fossil fuels to keep the, the blades turning right? Uh, actually, so it has to be a set speed in order to produce a, a constant flow of energy. Uh, actually we must have, uh, a backup resources, uh, if we are going toward these kind of interment, uh, energy resources like solar and wind.
Like, sometime we have a wind blow, [00:48:30] so it’ll rotate and it’ll, uh, produce energy. But, uh, at another time, if we don’t have wind, so what will we do? What will, how will we, uh, uh, provide power to the consumer? So either we, uh, go toward the generation again by parcel fuels, or we can have enough, uh, storage that we, uh, that energy we can use and provide to the, uh, consumer.
But actually, uh, it seem impossible. Uh, now. So we must have, uh, [00:49:00] uh, a, uh, uh, such kind of community that have mix energy generation, resources. Like we must have solar, we must have wind, we must have geothermal, we must have others. So that, uh, if, uh, there is no enable, uh, uh, enough, uh, uh, wind below so we can get that energy from the solar panels and, uh, we can get that energy from other resources.
Yeah. Okay. But so. Just to backtrack a little bit there. Mm-Hmm. [00:49:30] So if the wind isn’t blowing Mm-hmm. Then there needs to be an alternative supply of energy in order to keep the, the blades going. Yeah. So right now what they’re doing is if the wind doesn’t blow, it’ll be a fossil fuel, which is now burning to make sure that everything rotates.
Yeah. If you are saying like, oh, but then we could have alternatives, like in Germany for example, it’s mostly cloudy all year round. Yeah. Solar is gonna be completely useless. There is no alternative you can do to fuel that wind, wind turbine. [00:50:00] Again, it’s like, it sounds good in theory, it sounds great, but the reality is I don’t think our technology is quite there yet.
And when you have countries like Germany, which have just completely doubled down on this green initiative and ruined all of the, like the, the energy enough, enough supply for their own citizens, it makes no sense. So it is something same like the, if we are thinking to switch toward the electric vehicles, like we are [00:50:30] going toward the green energy, but still we are.
Charging them by the electricity that is produced from fossil fuels again. Yeah, exactly. Like it makes, like it sounds good, but the reality is it is just, it doesn’t make sense. It’s not green at all. But, uh, actually, uh, I’ll not say it is something, uh, like whenever you have, uh, something that is transforming like the power sector sector, we are considering that it’ll transform.
So it definitely will take time. And we have this kind of [00:51:00] irregularities in our, uh, implementation process. Like, uh, we have ev but we are charging that from there. Uh, we have the solar panel, but still we are using the fossil fuel. So these are, uh, but we are like making some way to the future. And in the future, maybe it is more beneficial and we will find some new researches, uh, like we do some new researches and we, we will find some new ways to, uh, have some, uh, good outcomes here.
I, I have an idea. Please. Yeah. Humans can be [00:51:30] batteries like in the matrix. That’s the most energy efficient one. We just plug people into the grid and their batteries. How, how would they, how would they make that reality? They probably am working on it right now. They’ll say that’s more energy efficient to, there you go.
Have humans as batteries. I mean, yeah, I don’t know about that, but like, I, what does scare me is there, I, I talk about on one of our other shows how people aren’t having babies right now and [00:52:00] what they have made are artificial wombs. And it’s like, what? Like, where does that end? It’s like the movie Idiocracy.
Oh, great film. Scary, great film. That, it sounds funny, but it’s actually like, to me it’s a, it’s, it’s like a horror movie. I can see that happening. The. Oh my God, it’s so true. It’s so true. Have you seen this? No. Idiocracy. Yeah. So, so the premise is that, um, there’s a guy [00:52:30] who I think he gets frozen and he winds up in the future, and it goes on like how humanity, humanity is now super dumb and it’s just gotten worse and worse.
And essentially you have all the people who aren’t educated, just having tons and tons of babies and people who are educated, they’re like, well, you know, it’s not quite the right time, so we’re just gonna wait a couple years. Save, save money, save money, save. Yeah, it will, it’s in the back burner. We’ll get round to it and then eventually, like [00:53:00] fast forwards to 20 years later and like, well it just, it wasn’t the right time.
Uh, meanwhile the only thing populating the earth is basically all the idiots of society. Like, you know, there’s like a, a ignorant like say farmer and the, the husband and wife are like. You didn’t take the pill birth control. And it is like another kid and there’s like all these kids running around and then it has the rich, smart, educated couple and they’re like, he says, they’re like, we’re waiting to save money.
And, and then I think it one part, she’s [00:53:30] too old to have a baby. Yeah. Or they don’t say it maybe on the show, but she’s like, oh, I think maybe it’s not right for us to just, we’re just not right to have kids. And so yeah. Like it’s really scary. ’cause then really stupid stuff happens. ’cause there’s just Yeah.
Society crumbles. Yeah. Or my favorite is Atlas Shrugged book. Anne Rand, I dunno. Anne Rand Atlas shrugged. It’s actually based on some of my, uh, a lot of what I do, but it’s where the smart people leave willingly or secretly ’cause they don’t want to contribute to a [00:54:00] society that’s like, uh, just preying off the hardworking people.
Mm-Hmm. So when all the smart people leave the society into hiding the, the, the society collapses. Mm. Because the politicians and all these lobbyists can’t get the money off the hardworking, smart people. Sure. Yeah. I mean, I feel like something like that needs to happen. ’cause we’re living in a, a very corrupt world nowadays.
I mean, I feel like it’s somewhat happening in the, in the west, or at least in the us a lot of, a lot of people are leaving, [00:54:30] uh, like expats you mean? Yeah, expats. Like, yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, obviously for ourselves, we’ve all done that. Right. And I, I honestly hope that a lot of people back home in the UK do the same thing.
’cause you know, I’m only gonna respect the government once it respects me. Mm-Hmm. And the UK definitely doesn’t respect me. It’s like, I think the Braveheart movie where he says, uh, you think you to the prince or the politician, you think you exist. Uh, the people [00:55:00] exist to serve you. I think you exist to serve the people.
Right? Yeah. Because a lot of times politicians think it’s like they’re, they’re right to do these things or, or they know. And then especially in China, right? The Chinese government would say in, I don’t know if they say it, but the, the mentality is like, protect the herd, sacrifice of sheep. Mm. Right? Yeah.
So it’s like for protecting the herd, maybe one person has to die or one person is like, gotta get slaughtered [00:55:30] because the herd needs to stay safe. I mean, yeah, China, China’s very much, China scares the shit out of me. This, uh, this communist kind of regime that they have a communist party that, that runs it.
It would seem that a lot of countries in the west are doing the same or they, they’re going that way. They’re learning from them, which is kind of scary. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Um, actually, so people say, if you wanna look at what’s gonna happen to the farms, [00:56:00] and like you were saying, now it’s happening again in India.
India. So all around the world, farmers are feeling this and they say, if you want to know what’s gonna happen, then look to China as. Pretty much what happened there is, is what’s gonna happen in the west. Uh, James, I just sent you a quick video,[00:56:30]
medium size farm. Cobbled up by these corporate mega farms because they can’t keep up anymore. They can’t comply with these endless streams of regulations that are coming down. We’re seeing that in China now, where these giant mechanized corporate, big government controlled mega farms are, uh, displacing all these little small family farms that families have been farming for, for hundreds of years.
In some cases longer.
They’re moving ’em all off their little pots of land and moving them [00:57:00] into these big, horrific mega cities that they have built. And we’re gonna see that all over the world with the decimation of small farms. So if they’re not bankrupted by economic forces, the government itself will, everywhere you look, small and medium sized farms being gobbled up by these corporate mega farms because they can’t keep up anymore.
They can’t. Cool. Yeah. Yeah. Scary. Yeah, that was, that was scary. Um, but actually some people are trying to be off grid, you know? Yeah. [00:57:30] I don’t know. I don’t know what exactly. Good for the environment. I think it’s fine. Like I actually, I just chatted a couple hours ago to a friend in, in the US It’s totally off grid.
He, he makes his own energy. Hmm. He makes his own food. That would be, that would be the dream because it, it would, it would seem like, I mean, a country should be just one community, but it doesn’t seem to be working like that. So I, a dream for me would be to find a group of [00:58:00] people. Have your own community where you know that as long as there’s a, a good food supply, water supply and you’ve got an energy supply, that’s all you need.
Well, you know, we talk in Bitcoin a lot, or crypto a lot. People say US dollar is not backed by anything. It’s just free printing, but it’s actually backed by one big thing, the US military. Okay. Like for us to make our own country. ’cause I’ve talked about this for years and years. You have to defend yourself all [00:58:30] from the other countries.
And where are you gonna get this land from? Yeah. You know, I think you have to actually have an army and then maybe you would just become what they are. Well, how would you be different if you had to do the same thing? Right? You would have to protect yourself. You’d have to build up military. Yeah. Yeah. I mean that’s, that’s another thing.
You, you, the internal politics, and there’s constant economic warfare, right? So how do you get around that? It’s constant attacking. They don’t need to [00:59:00] invade if they can just deplete you of all your resources. Mm-Hmm. They’ve, they’ve essentially won, right? Yeah. But I guess the hope is like these, these very micro, like it’s even, uh, making your off grid is your, your own food.
Right? It’s so, so micro. But I think it’s even illegal in some countries to be off the grid. I, I don’t know which country, or maybe even in the us I can’t remember. I chatted a few people about this. Yeah. Technically you’re supposed to be using their, their, uh, utilities. Yeah. Yeah. [00:59:30] Man, I would love to do this.
I really would. But you’re right. Like if they didn’t agree with it, you could have, you could be literally harming no one in the world. You could be self-sustaining, everything’s taken care of. But you’re right, there’s nothing to stop. Like the army coming in and just ripping up all that hard work you’ve done.
Mm-Hmm. Yeah. Yeah. I dunno what the answer is. And this is somewhat like you asked me before that, what is United Nations and what is [01:00:00] WHO and what are they doing? Mm-Hmm. So these are like the main focus. Uh, some like what the military, why we are developing, why, why we are making them strong. So maybe this, uh, there are some policies that are forcing, that are driving force behind this and what we did.
Like maybe what’s going in Israel and Palestine, what’s going, what happened in Iraq, Afghanistan. Uh, this is actually happening and we are like, uh, [01:00:30] if we are focusing on point number one, but we are creating that actually, we are not solving that. So that’s the reality pretty much. Um, share, what was I gonna say?
Oh man, it’s gone. Um, well there’s also something called Eco Villages. Is that, do you, are you familiar with the Eco Village? Uh, eco Villages? Yeah. I’ve, I’ve thought Have you, I mean, I could explain it, but I, it’s [01:01:00] somewhat what we talked about being off grid, but it’s basically like a, a community. Mm-Hmm.
That is self-sufficient, uh, in, uh, we consider it smart villages or maybe smart. Yeah. The same, maybe similar. Maybe. Maybe it’s a similar, yeah. Um, but I don’t know. Does, do you, you know, I am fascinated with what you’re studying. Does, does the UN support stuff like this or do they want everything to be like centralized?
This one large mega farm that’s feeding everybody. Uh, it’s some somewhat relevant, yeah, [01:01:30] relevant. Is it, is it No. Yes. Does support, what do they wanna do? Does the UN support more like one huge global or like countrywide farm that’s, uh, no feeding everyone? Or do they want everybody to have like their own small farm?
Uh, no, actually, uh, I’m, since I’m like working on the energy side, so this is like the smart cities or we consider that. So every building must have like, uh, we call it net zero energy building on that energy building. [01:02:00] So they must have like the greenery, they must have like, uh, if they’re producing carbon, so they must have, uh, cooperate to the environment as well.
And they have in renewable energy resources. So is it, is it some, something like that? I think it’s similar like that, but I think an eco village is more like a comm a community communities. And, uh, it’s almost like kinda like a mini country in a way. ’cause you have your own wa you can kind of tap into the energy and the water supply and the food supply in that, in that self-contained area.
Yeah. It’s the, with [01:02:30] the, with the energy. Uh, there’s a lot of talk of these 15 minutes cities. And are you aware of the design of, of how they’re these eco buildings and stuff, are they all trying to keep them within their own 15 minute community or, you know, what’s, what’s the idea behind that? Uh, actually like you, you mean the sustainable energy buildings?
Right. Um, lemme show you this article. Uh, this is from the World [01:03:00] Economic Forum. Mm-Hmm. Uh, yeah. Just send it to you now because now the trend is toward the green energy building and engineers are focused on that. Well, there’s, there’s, so there’s these 15 minute cities, which right now seem harmless. But it’s what’s going to follow after it.
Uh, did you get it, James? So, and then can you just scroll down to the bottom? There’s a nice little picture they’ve done for us. [01:03:30] Keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going, keep going. Yeah. So, you know, essentially you have all of the resources you need within a 15 minute radio
restricted to this stone and only this stone we, we’ve already seen in China. They have this social credit system and, you know, essentially if [01:04:00] you’ve dropped a few points on the social credit, then things will be blocked. Your ability to buy fuel outside of fuel pumps, which are, which are too far away.
Your ability to buy, train tickets, to do whatever. It’s worrying because, you know, the leader of this group, Klau Schwab, he often praises what China has. And he, he talks, I mean, these are a group of billionaires, group of, you know, the UN is closely linked with this, with this, um, group as [01:04:30] well. So they have the means to do this, to implement this thing worldwide.
Uh, I think the idea is really good because, uh, what we actually, if we have some basic needs and that we have a confined location, we can find that there. So it is, uh, more convenient for us, but still we have like, uh, if we have to go away, uh, go far to another city, so we must have sustainable transport.
Uh, and like, so [01:05:00] this, these, these are the ways we can, uh, cooperate to the global warming. Uh, actually, so I think it is, it is really a good idea if you have access to everything. Within a confined area. Yeah. What if, uh, your freedom, your right to travel, your right to buy tickets and stuff was taken away?
Would you still agree with it? So is it, is it taking it like, uh, is, uh, I already mentioned the basic need, if you can find within this confined area, so is Okay. But still you have like the [01:05:30] places for entertainment. You can go outside, you can go, uh, and you must have like, uh, if they’re planning like this, so they must also have a plan for, uh, sustainable transport as well.
So you can, how are you so sure. Sorry. How are you so sure that they have a plan for sustainable transport? Uh, how, uh, so what my, my question is mm-Hmm. What if they don’t provide sustainable transport of, of course, if they’re planning. That is transportation sector is the most important thing [01:06:00] that we need to consider, consider in everything because, uh, uh.
Uh, like, uh, nowadays we say energy is the largest producer of greenhouse cases, but the transport sector is the second. That is la uh, just the on the second number. So this mean that is the most important things we have. Now, if it is not planned, this mean this city is not properly planned. I would agree with that, but, uh, you know, like, okay, so this is an old article now, but James, can you [01:06:30] bring up the last one?
Yeah. So governments don’t have to provide you that right to travel if you don’t want. When China introduced this social credit system, I mean, this article is four years old, so, you know, I would, I’d be really interested in how many people have been banned from public transport. Now, China bans 23 million people from buying travel tickets as part of the social credit system.
So, so this, you think you have the right, the travel where you want, well, if you have [01:07:00] a tyrannical government or, oh. You have the wrong government. No, you don’t have that. Right? You are, you could be subjugated to this confinement, this 15 minute cities if they deem it. Uh, I never support this because, uh, whatever you do, you must have the, you must consider the right of the citizens first.
Uh, like, um, if you have their greenness. So this, this mean you can implement something, your policies [01:07:30] in a more, better and efficient way. But if you are doing this, so this mean, this project will not be successful. Even a start. Or maybe like, it’ll not go far too long. Uh, so this is not, we can say sustainable project then.
Mm-Hmm. It’s, it’s not, but it’s scary to think that a lot of the, the west is, is following suit with China. And it would seem that, um, it could be the reality in, in the near [01:08:00] future. I don’t know. But, uh, it can be changed. Like, um, you, you can be given the ride, but you must have to pay extra for that. Like, um, uh, like if you are producing the, if you are doing this, you are, uh, uh, damaging the environment or like you are producing, uh, gases.
So this mean you must pay for that. And how this must, this one will go to some community that will produce the tackle some their situation. Yeah. What do [01:08:30] you think, Mike? I’m trying to remember that movie. The, the Zones, the games. Oh, hunger Games. Hunger Games, yes. Districts and all this. So maybe you have to stay in your field.
Your city, your zone. Yeah. Essentially, you can’t go to the other zone. And maybe there’s also broken down by income or like education, things like that even happens in school. Right. When I was in school, I, there was different groups of classes based on your education level. I mean, I can understand that because not everyone’s gonna be on the same page.
Mm-Hmm. So you [01:09:00] do not hunger games, just be clear. But, um, yeah, I can understand. If you have a, a range of students, then people who are at the lower end are gonna hold back the people at the top end, right? Mm-Hmm. I, I can understand the need to do it, but, um, yeah. This, this, these districts, if this was to happen, Claire Schwab is massively in favor.
Um, and again, these are the people who have the means to [01:09:30] kind of implement something like this. Uh, it scares me. Excuse me. Yeah. Uh, what, what was that point? You were, you were saying. We, if it doesn’t, if it doesn’t, um, provide transport, then it’s failed. Uh, it cannot be considered a sustainable project.
Yeah. How many, I mean, dunno, when I, again, looking at these, these goals that they have, yeah. How many [01:10:00] have they actually achieved? Like right now, I feel we’re going completely the other direction. You know, I don’t think so. Any, if, if they have achieved any because the progress, what, what we are. Uh, but still, uh, I think the, they’re focusing on it and they’re moving towards, like, some countries are really, uh, interested to achieve this goal, these goals.
And maybe in by 2030 they can achieve as well. I, I feel that they, they [01:10:30] use these goals of like climate change as a guise to take away. Take away rights, you know? Well, your, your car that you’ve been using. Mm-Hmm. You need to change it to an ev. Okay, well that’s just 50 grand, cheapest Tesla, for example, 50 grand.
And then you can save the, the environment. Okay. Well, people can’t afford that, that’s for sure. Uh, actually you are right, uh, is important, but, [01:11:00] uh, FD is something more, uh, uh, serious than that. So, uh, it is okay, because that is the priority, uh, because it is, uh, in future we must have to live in this, uh, area, in this and our next generation.
What will they do? So, uh, is, uh, like we must have some, uh, proper, uh, ways to take with this kind of just, uh, taking, right. Suggesting it is Okay. But you must have the proper way to do that as well. [01:11:30] Yeah, I mean, listen, I think it’s a mission. Emissions are the problems and the people who are. Telling you these policies, if they actually care, maybe they should look elsewhere rather than pointing the fingers at farmers or individual transport.
Uh, James, can you bring up the, the last article I just sent you? So, Oxfam huge international charity. You’re aware of them? Ox Oxfam? [01:12:00] No. Oh, okay. Do, do you know Oxfam? No, don’t believe so. Uh, maybe it’s more common in the uk. I dunno. Um, so they recently did this study where the richest 1% admit as much planet heating, pollution as the bottom two thirds of humanity.
So like, like if the problem is too much emissions are, are being made, the people who are, who are going to these, [01:12:30] the World Economic forums, the, the Davos group. These are the people who will be flying a private jet to go to a, you know, um, a climate change conference. I, I saw, I saw a clip once. It was, uh, some leader, I think in the, in Europe, and she drove a really fancy car, but stopped two blocks from the event.
Mm-Hmm. And got on a pedal bike and pedaled in for the photo. Oh. It’s just so bullshit. It was funny. And, uh, I can’t [01:13:00] remember. I mean, it was something, it some video on social media, but it was funny. Yeah, yeah. Well, and it’s like the, the whole when Covid was happening, they’re like, oh, is it camera time? Oh, okay.
Yeah. Everyone put on your mask. It’s just such bullshit and it’s like, it’s so obvious. I mean, the good thing nowadays is the internet has really made it obvious how much bullshit there is out there. The fact that we can just send information so much easier, so much more freely, we’d never had that power [01:13:30] before.
Mm-Hmm. We were never able to call ’em out, like. If they, if they make this pledge or promise, people would just take it at face value. Now it’s like, oh wait, but I literally just saw you do the opposite thing of what you just said. Huh. Okay. Like we’ve, we’ve never really had that ability before. And now I guess it’s because of that.
It’s no surprise that they’re trying to get rid of decentralized currencies. They’re trying to censor the, the internet and all this stuff, you [01:14:00] know? It’s truly, it’s truly scary. I mean, the movies become true. All the conspiracies become seem true. Yeah. Yeah. What do you think about with, with all of these billionaires and stuff who are building these doomsday bunkers?
Yeah, I saw something like that. I mean, maybe quite a few. Um, you know, they’re so rich. I guess that maybe it makes sense, but has that been something new? I, I guess is there data about how long that’s been [01:14:30] happening or has that always been happening or is that just recent? There’s just been a lot of news about it very recently.
Yeah. So I just wonder, I guess I’d like the data of how long does that has existed. Yeah. I mean, sure. If I, if I was a billionaire, I would buy one, I’d build one for the fun of it for sure. It’s a nice to have, right? Yeah. If everything went to shit, like I’ll just go into my bunker piece. Yeah. So I guess my only argument, I mean, I just would like more data about that.
’cause I could see them maybe doing that a long time ago. But if it’s something that was like recent though would be a lot [01:15:00] more alarming for me. You know? Yeah, yeah. I like you. I need to see more data on it. ’cause there’s, there’s talks how a lot of these people are, are prepping for a free to 10 year kind of hiding away from society.
Well. Back, you know, like Covid. I mean, I was locked down in, I was in China during that time and uh, you know, it was somewhat like a 15 minute city. I was in this huge compound. Mm. And they, they locked [01:15:30] all the gates. You can only go through one gate. Yeah. It was really hard to get in and out. Wow. So, you know, I, I’ve experienced this and, uh, I’ve even thought about that.
Now I think about, there might be another lockdown where, where I live when I choose a place to live. I think how convenient it is for me if there’s a lockdown. So you mean that was a real time, uh, implementation? Yeah. They, they made the 15 minute cities. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well the, they talk about how [01:16:00] Covid is almost this social experiment, seeing how far they can push the people.
And needless to say, most people were, were more than happy to take on these, these. Restrictions. Um, which I get, you know, we, we were told you’re doing this for the, for the protection of society. Mm-Hmm. And everyone out of empathy and ’cause they cared, they were happy to to oblige. Right. That’s true. They, they really pushed that plus this, the media and you’re trained to trust what the news say says.
[01:16:30] Right. Hmm. I don’t know, even for me, I used to kind of believe the media, like face value what they said. I used to believe it personally, you know? Yeah. Yeah. I don’t know. I think less and less people are believing mainstream media now. Right. I don’t know if there’s some data on that, but even I used to kind of just believe what they said at face value.
But no, I think most people are, more, people are skeptical. I don’t know about most, but more people are skeptical. Well, you would, wouldn’t you? I mean, you have no reason to doubt it. And you know, often they’d show you the video like, well here’s the [01:17:00] proof. I mean, that, that is meant to be the, in intentional of the news.
But now their track record is just so bad. Time and time again. They’ve been proven to be wrong on so many stuff. And not only wrong, but act like, um, proactively push lies. You know, I dunno if there was a big one in Covid. I dunno if you saw with, uh, Rogan, how CNN they took one of his videos where he said he, [01:17:30] he got better from a bunch of drugs that, that weren’t like the official medicine.
It wasn’t the vaccine. He took a bunch of things and one of the drugs he listed was Ivermectin, which was a really, really big issue at the time because it’s a cheap drug. It’s something which has been shown to be effective. Anyway, he promoted it. He said he got better. And what CNN did was they took his video and they put a filter on his face making him look gray and [01:18:00] making him look like much more ill, more unhealthy.
Right. Wow. I would like to see that. Yeah. Yeah. And I mean, the great thing is he, he even had one of the guys from CNN on his show and he was able to like, literally call him out on his show live on air and the guy literally just completely collapsed. Just like, yeah, shit, we fucked up. I’m sorry. I mean, I’m even, even me on this show now, they, they can probably take a clip of something I, I said and use it against me.
Right. That’s the, that’s the [01:18:30] scary thing, uh, about the internet now, right? Is people can take things outta context and and modify them. Even many years ago, I I, I told whenever you talked to the media, I think you’re supposed to tell ’em, but you should record it if it’s like a call. ’cause they’re gonna clip pieces that they want.
Yes. Yeah. So if you back it up at least, ’cause you’ll say something and they’ll just take it. That one part, even though you’re saying it was like a, a two or three part. Yes. Sentence, right? Yes. Yeah. They’ve taken out the context and they take it outta context and [01:19:00] pull what they want and they know what they wanna write already and they’re just trying to support it with quotes.
Yeah. I’ve, I’ve seen this with a bunch of people and you’re right. Just record it yourself. You gotta be careful. Yeah. But this is why I like to do it live ’cause True, true. There is, everyone can see exactly the point you’re trying to make. And, and I think this is moving forward, the only way around it, I think it’s gonna be an even bigger issue, right?
With ai, they can clone your voice, clone your image, that technology is only getting better and better. What’s it gonna look like in five [01:19:30] years? They’ll literally be able to probably mimic this whole thing and it would be flawless, you know? Uh, do you know, like, uh, the election now about the election now happened in Pakistan?
I have no idea. No. So this is somewhat happened in reality with politicians, like they have their. Face is they have short clips and they gather it [01:20:00] together and like their own messages, like they transfer to and spread in people by using social media. And even, uh, so this is the, this is the drawbacks of technology.
Uh, really? Yeah. Could they, would they do anything though? Did they, like, is there a scam or something? It is, uh, mainly for misinformation, ab uh, in the public to spread like the wrong information for their own interest, anything like that. [01:20:30] Mm, okay. So kind of the, bring it back to the un Yeah. Uh, you still wanna work for ’em.
Right. How confident are you that they’re, they’re doing everything above board, you know, how confident are you that they’re a, they’re a good company to work for? Uh. The, the initiatives, I’m really confident with that. Like, like these are some basic things that we need to, uh, we, we really need for, [01:21:00] uh, our lives and for the better future.
Uh, so there that is like, uh, what I think that we, uh, it is not about one person, others, some, a group, uh, but every person must have awareness about this. And this is a mutual collaborative work, and we must proceed with it. So I, I agree. I agrees the strength in numbers and if you have all the right people that it has the power, but then if the [01:21:30] person at the top has a certain agenda or whatever, I don’t know how much I, I would trust it personally, you know, like.
I, I, I often say to people, like, I think if the, and I’m not familiar with the un, but like the us, the US government or the US system, I think if the forefathers, the creators of this system were to look at it, I don’t think they would be happy. I don’t think they would say this is what they wanted to be.
No, no, no. Um, still, uh, I, I’ll probably, I’ll probably [01:22:00] leave it there unless there’s anything that you guys wanna really talk about. I think we got through a lot. Awesome. Well guys, I wanna thank you for being here and thank you. Bye. Yeah. Appreciate the chat. Thank you. Cool. Okay, cool There.